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Ray the Random Robot has been reborn

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 Jim Hunt, Owner, V2G Limited

 Sunday, February 26, 2017

It seems that people in certain quarters need reminding about some trading basics. Regular readers may recall that many moons ago Ray the Random Robot performed surprisingly well in some MetaTrader 4 automated trading competitions. However since Ray used (pseudo) random entries and Martingale money management he lost the proverbial shirt off his shiny metal back in others. Elsewhere on LinkedIn Ray's Monopoly money making prowess has been questioned, so I have recently resurrected him following the conclusion of his all too successful suicide mission in 2013: http://trading-gurus.com/ray-the-random-robot-reborn/ Is it possible to detect "Martingale-like" money management merely by casting one's mark 1 eyeballs over an equity curve? Will everything inevitably end in tears? Or not?


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10 comments on article "Ray the Random Robot has been reborn"

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 Scott Boulette, Algorithmic Trading

 Tuesday, February 28, 2017



Ray has proven quite instructive even if not able to allow you to retire comfortably to an island somewhere warm (although given the state of global warming, the somewhere warm could end up being just about everywhere).


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 Jim Hunt, Owner, V2G Limited

 Tuesday, February 28, 2017



You're very kind Scott. Actually Ray and I would find an island in the Caribbean already far too warm for comfort. The coast of North Cornwall suits us fine, although a bit more sunshine and a bit less precipitation at this time of year wouldn't go amiss!

Getting back to the topic at hand, you commented on the thread I referenced long before I did. Do your mark 1 eyeballs suggest to you that the displayed equity curve betrays "Martingale-like" money management and hence ultimate doom, or do you buy Peter's "Not a martingale system is all I can say :)" argument?


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 Jon Grah, Trading Signals Automation Expert AwarenessForex.com

 Wednesday, March 1, 2017



I'm not sure exactly the alternative you propose to making a market without an aggressive form of cost averaging. Notice I said 'make a market', not start off with 'make money' like many EA vendors will claim without having an edge or purpose on who they are serving. I'm assuming that the speculative trading simulating (or in some instances competing with) market making is either as a dealer, arbitrageur, value trader or news trading.

So instead of actually trading professionally (which requires scalable flow, repeatable edge, sufficient capital to manage, etc), many of these EA vendors and bucket shop brokers take advantage of retail traders lack of understanding market microstructure. In other words, they have no real interest in the profitability of their client; much easier to run off with the deposit, EA fee, etc.


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 Scott Boulette, Algorithmic Trading

 Wednesday, March 1, 2017



As per Hamlet - The lady doth protest too much, methinks or alternatively - A Martingale by any other name...


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 Jim Hunt, Owner, V2G Limited

 Thursday, March 2, 2017



Jon - But that's not the sort of equity curve you'd expect a "retail market making" algo to produce?


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 Michael Lovell-Pank, Chancery Lane Traders

 Thursday, March 2, 2017



The gale of one's Martin is strong in this curve.


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 Gianluca Di Muro, Modelling and Simulation Engineer at Jaguar Land Rover

 Monday, March 6, 2017



I am a long time fan of Ray the not-so-random-definitely-wealthy reborn. Thanks for the great posts, Jim.

Of course Pete's Algorithm Not A Martingale (PANAM) does not seem to be Martigalish, No doubt. Sadly for Ray, I am afraid PANAM is even richer than Ray; it would not promise the warmth of the Caribbean coasts, but it makes Panama an 'a' away ('Abate'?). Another coincidence which is unfair to PANAM is that it shares the same name with the famous airline. Not the same fate, of course.


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 Robert Orange, Director of Algorithmic Trading and KnoWhen Strategies

 Friday, March 10, 2017



Tell me more


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 Kenneth Kwan, IT Director at m-FINANCE Limited

 Monday, March 13, 2017



Too perfect :D


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 Edoardo Pietro Fiamingo, Metatrader5 - developer Expert Advisors for MetaTrader 5 |

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 Tuesday, March 14, 2017



In my robot that i created, i also have random mode but it's not a good idea.

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