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IB to de-facto close retail fx

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 Alex Krishtop, Consultant at Edgesense Solutions. Mentor at Algorithmic Traders Association

 Monday, October 3, 2016

US clients to seek EU residence? More offshore money flows? Or the complete shutdown of the fx market which has been rumored since 2009 is indeed on the way? Or maybe it's all only for CME to gain turnover in currency futures?


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14 comments on article "IB to de-facto close retail fx"

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 private private,

 Tuesday, October 4, 2016



Alex Krishtop I believe you are referring to the expiration of SEC rule 15b12-1, which allowed leveraged retail forex transactions between a broker and US retail clients.

As of July 31, brokers are not allowed to enter into a forex transaction with a party that is not an Eligible Contract Participant.

In short, as an individual you must have aggregate amounts of more than $10 million invested on a discretionary basis or $5 million if hedging, to become an Eligible Contract Participant.

I have similar questions. Do other brokers have to discontinue retail forex trading anytime soon?

What are the options for US traders that do not qualify as an ECP? Offshore account? Which ones are stable and allow US traders?


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 private private,

 Thursday, October 6, 2016



If there are there any US forex traders in the group that used IB as broker and moved elsewhere, or can share their view on the regulations regarding fx then I would like to know more about it.


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 Jon Grah, Trading Signals Automation Expert AwarenessForex.com

 Thursday, October 6, 2016



This was an eventuality. IB was the last DMA retail forex broker for US residents. So now you are stuck with the so-called big 3: Forex. Com [Gain capital], FXCM, and Oanda. Basically the big boys are closing off forex to smaller guys to enter.

Of course commodity brokers can give any daytrading margins they want to without restrictions. No competition from otc forex, plus you get currency control as a bonus to help keep investors inside your country (Japan has similar restrictions). I would be reluctant to trade with any of those big-3....some good PoPs or 3rd tier brokers with PoP access, unless you are ok with your trades being bucketed.

BabyPips has a thread dedicated to escaping the CFTC. Google 'babypips escape cftc'. Unfortunately, the thread is exclusively for brokers who will accept US residents directly, which makes the list very small and the quality of the brokers questionable. To get to the good quality brokers....


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 Jon Grah, Trading Signals Automation Expert AwarenessForex.com

 Thursday, October 6, 2016



I wrote an article about not relying only on regulation or name along to evaluate brokers: http://www.stevehopwoodforex.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1394&start=1720#p146378 DMA is critical to avoid conflict of interest.

The good quality non-US brokers will likely be in UK, Swiss, AUS, NZ, and occassionally Cyprus. You will either need to use an IBC, or establish residency not in USA and use those credentials to open trading acct. Trading through a family member might also be recommended, but based on trust.

I strongly recommend using a broker with a Prime of Prime (PoP) or prime broker clearing. Invast Global and Global Prime are 2 mt4 brokers who i've seen with real PB relationships, which are getting harder to cultivate these days. RubixFx is another runner up and i know a few more. Look beyond the flashy websites and terminology and focus on the people BEHIND the brokerage...this keeps you from being conned.


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 private private,

 Friday, October 7, 2016



Thanks Jon for this info!


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 jaime B, Owner at My Family Office

 Sunday, October 9, 2016



IB is NOT a DMA broker. in fact few DMA forex brokers exist if any. I think you mean STP. A DMA broker would not clear the transaction until the trade is completed. This requires additional warranties by the client to meet credit controls.


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 jaime B, Owner at My Family Office

 Sunday, October 9, 2016



DMA was primarily invented to prevent the broker from front running your orders. Mostly used by institutions who have a solid edge (or are temporarily deluded into thinking they have a solid edge) and don't want to share it with the brokers. So DMA places the order directly in the market without the broker being aware of the trade until he has to clear it. Very prevalent in strategies that front run the orderbook.


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 jaime B, Owner at My Family Office

 Sunday, October 9, 2016



I do not know of any forex brokers that allow clients to bypass credit controls.


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 Alex Krishtop, Consultant at Edgesense Solutions. Mentor at Algorithmic Traders Association

 Sunday, October 9, 2016



I am not sure what DMA may mean for an OTC market at all. IB's Idealpro is an ECN afaik.


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 Cameron Wild, Portfolio Manager

 Monday, October 10, 2016



Amazing, Australia also did this about a year ago and IB had a huge argument with them before eventually giving up on FX there. Thanks Alex.


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 Cameron Wild, Portfolio Manager

 Monday, October 10, 2016



Hans Peter - My IB account in Australia simply said one day "Order rejected, Australian clients are no longer allowed to be short a currency."


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 Alex Krishtop, Consultant at Edgesense Solutions. Mentor at Algorithmic Traders Association

 Monday, October 10, 2016



Well, regulators don't want retail liquidity go into fx or other purely speculative markets. Regulators want retail liquidity go to the stock market to pump it up further and further. To then say one day wow what a surprise that it busted, and we did our best to protect it from those nasty high frequency traders (or "predatory algos", or "forex brokers", or whatever will be popular by that time).


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 Søren Lanng, Replacing Programming of Robotic Trading - founder at ECO Group

 Wednesday, October 12, 2016



Interesting subject - my take is participants are pushed out of the US market to give room for an upcoming global FX exchange, which could be NASDAQ.


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 Edmund Woltynski, IT Tech, Dir at PSCS, CFTe, Trader

 Wednesday, October 12, 2016



I think the only obvious place for Aussie traders to trade FX with IB would be out of Hong Kong, Europe is too far to go, but nice for a holiday :)

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