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Live Track record and AUM, one size doesn’t fit all.

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 Samir Halim, President, Systematic Asset Management

 Thursday, September 24, 2015

What would be a reasonable live track record length and AUM for a fully automated system? Many potential investors seem to have an arbitrary number, without consideration to the developer background, strategy style, trading frequency or even statistical significance. I have been on both sides of the table, allocating assets and now developing systems and trading. I am of the opinion that there is no one size that fits all. Your thoughts would be very much appreciated.


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3 comments on article "Live Track record and AUM, one size doesn’t fit all."

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 Jacques Joubert, Jr Programmer at I-Sixty

 Thursday, September 24, 2015



In my experience, It is pretty standard to have a 2 year track record before looking to aggressively seek capital. I would say that an absolute minimum is a 6 month track record.

Concerning AUM, I think that depends on the strategy, firm, reputation etc...


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 Mark Kuper, COO at Telluride Asset Management LLC

 Thursday, September 24, 2015



A lot depends on style, trading frequency, statistics, and holding period. Other considerations are scalability, risk parameters, liquidity, data needs, and other specific particulars related to the specific strategy.

In general more trades and shorter holding periods, tend to have higher sharpe, but are less scalable, yet easier to take some initial risk in. In contrast longer holding periods typically need to show longer real life experience to get investors to give an allocation.

Also typically longer holding periods will look more like beta or smart beta which will also give investors pause. It is important to be able to provide investors some insight into why the strategy provides alpha without giving it away.


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 Mark Brown mark@markbrown.com, Global Quantitative Financial Research, International Institutional Trading, Algorithmic Modeling.

 Saturday, September 26, 2015



i have been at trading houses that would hand 1mm over just on a 30 minute discussion of a model. i have been at funds where if you were Jim Simons of Renaissance Technologies they still would not fund a model. so it's all over the map...

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