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A follow up to my post that sparked quite a lot of debate a few weeks ago. Social Media vs Conventional Media: which is better for sentiment analysis?

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 Jeremy Coward, Content Executive at Terrapinn

 Tuesday, October 14, 2014

Social media can't revolutionise the field of sentiment analysis when it comes to trading... yet. But it may become possible if these steps are followed...


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5 comments on article "A follow up to my post that sparked quite a lot of debate a few weeks ago. Social Media vs Conventional Media: which is better for sentiment analysis?"

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 Samuel G., Liquidity Model developer at Credit Agricole CIB

 Friday, October 17, 2014



Nikolay, I agree about using simple strategy. But do you use simple information to choose your strategy? I mean by this that good analysis can be done on few data (and should be) but it need a great amount of past data to correctly evaluate any outcome (human knowledge is based on experience and repetition of events)


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 Samuel G., Liquidity Model developer at Credit Agricole CIB

 Friday, October 17, 2014



Herve, you go rhetorical. Just had whatever currency name after my 100 and 101 and you have your answer about my distribution and gain expectancy. Anyway in the end we talk about the same thing for robustness. Indeed, there will need a lot of data. This is by the way the main draw down in sentiment analysis: the calibration of your algorithm needs a huge amount of data to cover enough 'valid' tweets, not mentioning that in my approach it needs deep analysis abilities from the operator to fuel examples to the algorithm.


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 Larry Kase, Financial Analyst and Hedge Fund Principal

 Saturday, October 18, 2014



When actively trading the buzz factory is turned to the off position. Social media is never a factor at anytime as it long ago proved itself utterly worthless due to unreliability and the absence of any useful information for further investigation. The distraction factor outweighed any reason to give it any attention. Our website feeds new content through these channels but mainly as a customer service rather than creating a stir. Trading the tape requires full attention to price action and plotting price against established parameters determined by the trade process. The forgoing is the only way to survive and remain decisive and disciplined. Speculation is fine and an acceptable operating mode. Gambling as driven by rumor and innuendo is unacceptable. Sometimes there is a pay day and often there is pain. Rumor and innuendo influences price but does not precipitate an action step unless the discipline commands it. There is no need to know the buzz. Price dictates an actions step and that is all that matters.


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 Samuel G., Liquidity Model developer at Credit Agricole CIB

 Saturday, October 18, 2014



Larry, I perfectly agree with everything you just said but yet I think there is way to use twitter as a source for trading signals. Because twitter is not only a buzz media. I don't know what they are really worth, but you can check on Cayman Atlantic Investment which solely (as far as I understood there strategy) use social media for trading (+23.8% in 2013 / +17.8% 2014 YTD).


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 Larry Kase, Financial Analyst and Hedge Fund Principal

 Saturday, October 18, 2014



I fully understand your remarks. However, Twitter is part of the rumor source which is far different than a sentiment measure. Rumors can be traded. Adept traders have done so for decades and centuries. Some are far more successful than others. Some rumors fall into the "where there is smoke there is fire" category. Trading the rumor in those cases can be rewarding. If no fire appears, the slow trader regularly endures an unpleasant interlude. Finally, rumors commonly offer quick profits during bull market conditions. Many things that should not work function positively during bull markets. As the saying goes, never confuse brains with a bull market.

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